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Mormons dating heathens

I listen to a podcast called Catholic Stuff You Should Know (because I am a closet Catholic wannabe), and at the end of the podcast during their email section, a Catholic dating a Jewish girl asked, “Am I allowed to date outside the faith?”

I perked up to listen. Inter-religious dating and marriage is such a touchy subject in the LDS Church, so I wanted to hear the Catholic perspective. The answer they gave shocked me.

Absolutely, they said, absolutely you are allowed to date outside of the faith. You need to understand that God put this girl in your life for a reason, and you need to explore that reason, one of the hosts said. The other, about to become a priest in a few days, also said that they should seek out activities they can do together; for example, one cultural crossroad is reading the Old Testament together. Try to pray together to the best of your ability. Because Catholics see Jesus as a fulfillment of Judaism, there’s a lot of history and commonality together, so you should take advantage of the opportunity to explore Judaism and learn more about your own faith at the same time.

Of course, it’s all not unicorns and rainbows. They also told the young couple to really talk seriously about marriage and what they would do if they did tie the knot. What religion would they raise their future children in? Are they okay with the other not attending religious services with them? Understand, they warned, that there will eventually be divisive cultural issues between the two of you that you will have to work through if you want to be with this woman, but it can be done, if you work hard.

And lest you think these are a bunch of liberal hippy Catholics (they’re not), immediately, they root their advice in scripture. The first thing you need to do, one of them said, is read the story of Ruth.

This, I admit, shocked me quite a bit. Mormons are incredibly insular, and dating is no exception. We warn against dating outside of the faith, and that if you get married outside of the temple, woe, woe, woe be unto you! You will probably get boils and your husband will probably get leprosy, and don’t be surprised if your kids turn against you and try to raise up an army to overthrow your kingdom or something. Seriously, some of those warnings can be that dire.

Catholics want Catholics to marry each other, and they want Catholics to get married under the Catholic tradition, of course. Marriage for Catholics, just like for us, is an essential sacrament. On top of that, they don’t believe in second chances after this world, like we do with the spirit world. So why the liberal attitude?

If any religion were to be open to inter-religious dating, you would think it would be ours. We believe that one can receive essential sacraments after this life (that’s what half of the temple is all about). We believe that we believe in anything that is good, lovely, virtuous, or praiseworthy, even if it’s outside of the faith. So why are we so terrified of our kids dating outside of the faith?

I can think of two reasons.

The first reason, we can’t really help right now. We’re a small demographic. We just are. There are only 12 million of us in the world, in a world of 5 billion people. We literally make up 0.24% of the world. That’s not a lot. Because of this, we’re constantly in self-preservation mode — if we let too many of our numbers get diluted, we stand a good chance of disappearing forever.

The second one is a little more disappointing. We’re incredibly, totally, wholly insecure about our religion and beliefs. We don’t really believe in its power.

I had an experience on my mission that changed my life forever. I was talking to a colleague of mine about how I was afraid to talk to people about my faith because they might tear it apart. It’s a legitimate concern every missionary has, an existential terror we carry with us every time we knock on a door. He thought for a minute and asked, “Do you really believe that this can help people in their lives?”

“Of course,” I said.

“Then why are you scared?” he asked. “Truth is truth and beats lies and falsehood. Truth has the unique ability to stand on its own. If you really, honestly believe that it is true, then what are you really afraid of? If you really, honestly believe that it is true, then who can prove you wrong?”

I want to say that after this advice, any anxiety disappeared and I went on my merry way. Of course, not true. But it did make me think about why I was on a mission and what my role as a missionary was. Did I come out here because I was expected to, or do I really think the gospel can improve someone’s life?

I don’t think we really believe in what we say we believe in. We’re constantly afraid people will think we are weird — probably because we understand that we really are weird. We’re constantly afraid people will think we’re a cult — probably because at some fundamental level we feel like one sometimes. We’re constantly afraid people will think our church services are boring — probably because we are bored ourselves. We’re constantly afraid people will reject our gospel — probably because we reject it ourselves every day on a minute level that builds over time. I’m not saying we should be closed minded and cocky; that will definitely make less people join the Church. But do we really believe in what we believe in?

It’s the same reason why parents are terrified of letting their kids make decisions. They don’t really trust their children. I know that my parents trust me in some areas because they give me independence and leeway; but when it comes to areas in my life they don’t trust me in, they will open the sluices and unsolicited advice comes gushing out. I know that I will do that to my children, too, because it’s human nature.

Let’s take it back home to dating. We’re constantly talking about how strong our youth are. We talk about how our youth stand for right and morality, how they are so brave and honest and strong. We talk about how valiant they are. But when you look at the litany of rules and regulations we plaster our youth with, do we really believe in them?

LDS youth -- valiant, charitable, wonderful, strong, capable -- and ready to bolt and run away from the Church at a moment's notice. (Image via Church News)

These guys who run Catholic Stuff You Should Know are self-assured that Catholicism can enrich anyone’s life and will bring peace and happiness to those who follow its precepts. To them, they have no real reason to think that their Catholic inquirer will feel compelled to follow after his girlfriend’s “competing” faith; Catholicism already provides everything he needs. Why would he need more? Date outside the Church if you run into people you happen to fall in love with, they say. Be a good influence on others and allow others to be a good influence on you. No need to be reckless, they warn, but at the same time, there is no need to lock yourself up like a monk, ironic since between the two of us, they’re the ones with monks, and we’re the ones with strong youth and young adults we don’t really believe in.

This leads me to wonder sometimes. Are all of these rules and regulations really there to protect us and hedge up the law, or could they be symptoms of an overall dissatisfaction with our spirituality and a way to keep people firmly inside the tent so they can’t wander or run away? Do we really believe the gospel is powerful enough that anyone who encounters it should obviously see its power, or are we worried that we might be proven wrong someday by another system of thought that might provide more fulfillment than we  can?

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Design Your Own Mormon Liturgy — Lord’s Prayer and the Magnificat

My wife and I have off and on been following the daily prayers and readings of The Benedictine Handbook, which has a two week long rotation of Psalms, scripture readings, and prayers to recite every morning and every night. We have greatly enjoyed this practice, and it seems to suit our spiritual needs better (we’re just not good at the whole uniquely individualistic American Protestant thing) and so we want to continue it, but with a bit more of a Mormon feel.

So I’ve set out to write my own Mormon liturgy that we could follow, and could use some of the advice and input all y’all might have.

Two of the most striking and famous aspects about Catholic liturgy is the Lord’s Prayer and the Magnificat (also known as the Canticle of the Blessed Virgin Mary). Both are scriptural recitations (Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke 1:46-55 respectively), the first a template prayer offered by the Savior in the Gospels, and the other a prayer offered by Mary upon learning of the Incarnation of Jesus. Both are beautiful and rich in spiritual meaning. In the Benedictine tradition, the Lord’s Prayer is recited at every session, both morning and night, and each day’s ending is punctuated at the end with a recitation of the beautiful Magnificat. Over the months, my wife and I have gotten to know and love these two beautiful passages of scripture.

Which got me thinking — when writing a Mormon liturgy, would I use the Lord’s Prayer and the Magnificat? Or are there more “Mormon” versions of such passages? In the Mormon tradition, the Lord’s Prayer is repeated in the Book of Mormon (with some interesting changes), but rarely ever talked about or recited. In fact, when looking up where the Lord’s Prayer might be in the LDS Bible Dictionary entry for “Prayer,” the Lord’s Prayer is not even mentioned, let alone the scripture reference given. It’s often seen as a trapping of the “old Christianity” that we departed from; I’ve even heard (sadly) some Mormons talk about its recitation as a false tradition. Meanwhile, we believe in the Virgin Mary, and she’s one of the few women ever named by name in the Book of Mormon, yet our devotion to the Blessed Mother is quite pitiful compared to both our Catholic and Protestant siblings.

What call would you make when writing a Mormon liturgy? Would you keep the Lord’s Prayer and the Magnificat, paying homage to these two great passages of scripture, or would you choose a more “Mormon-y” scripture to replace them, to keep in stride with our tradition of modern revelation and pouring new wine into new skins?

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Why I Love Lent

So, it’s been a while since Lent started, and I will admit, I haven’t been perfect at all.

However, Lent has brought about a deeper spirituality between me and my wife, something that I didn’t really expect, to be honest. I thought I might gain a greater cultural experience or have a couple spiritual experiences, but I was not prepared for a much more deep entrance into what religion means to us. However, the results are not surprising, and here are some reasons why I have loved Lent so far:

1. I’m choosing to participate in Lent

I’ll be the first to admit that a lot of my joy of Lent probably comes from the fact that I consciously chose to participate in Lent rather than feel like I’m expected to. However, I would counter that when it comes to religion in general, eventually you will have to choose whether you participate or not. Especially growing up and moving out of the house and getting married and other kinds of adult stuff, I’ve learned painfully that your participation on church eventually comes down to what you want, not what your parents want or what your friends want or what your wife wants. After a certain point, nobody can really force you to go to church. You either stop, you go, or you capitulate.

Now, with that said, I still enjoy Lent more most likely because I want to. But I can say that same thing about General Conference and running instances on World of Warcraft. I am choosing to participate and so I’m much more aware of things happening to me because of my decision to do so. Had I felt pressured or bullied or socialized into Lent rather than choosing to do so, no doubt my reaction would be quite different. But this has only emphasized that lesson I have learned and now try to implement in my life – if you don’t choose to do something but merely capitulate, you live a fairly miserable existence.

2. I think about God a lot more

One of the reasons the rabbis give for the strict kosher code of Jewish tradition is that as you move through life, every decision brings you back to God. As you make a conscious effort to prepare a kosher meal, you think constantly of why you’re doing this – because you want to revere what God asks you to do. Lent has done that for us. We haven’t been perfect – we’ve definitely eaten out more than several times during Lent, but each time I feel that pang of guilt. And even more than the times we’ve eaten out we’ve decided not to because, well, it’s Lent. And that always feels good.

Sure, God didn’t specifically ask us to give up eating out. After all, eating out is pretty benign and for Dantzel and I who are amateur, budding foodies, eating out is a great way for us to spend a date night together. But giving that up for just a small period of time for God feels good. And we find that we think about Him a lot more than usual.

3. I feel connected to others because I participate in Lent

My wife had an interesting experience during Lent – while working, she found out one of her co-workers is a practicing Catholic. When she mentioned she had given up eating out for Lent, they immediately bonded. Even though he later found out my wife was actually Mormon and not Catholic, they still had a very amicable and beneficial friendship and they exchanged thoughts on belief and religion, which my wife enjoyed greatly.

I’m not a very connected type of person. I have a Twitter account and some 100 odd “friends” or so on Facebook but my face-to-face interactions are limited to a select few. This often leads to times of crisis as I grapple with existential angst and loneliness. I’ve noticed that these past few weeks, however, I haven’t felt that angst as often. There’s a lot of factors working here – my new church ward is welcoming, and Washington people seem more friendly to people like me than Utah people. However, something definitely changed somewhere in my mentality – I feel a strong solidarity and affinity to Catholics. Not to say I’m going to join anytime soon, but I definitely feel a connection – even grumbling a little whenever Martin Luther comes up.

One thing is certain, while I’ve been practicing Lent, I’ve felt more connected knowing millions around the world are doing the same thing – contemplating doing what you’re fasting from, stopping, thinking, rationalizing, then shaking your head and pushing that thought out of your mind. There’s a solidarity that comes from that knowledge.

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Why I Think We Need A Lent

One of my posts about voluntarily participating in Lent and my wish for a Mormon liturgical calendar brought about some very interesting reasons why we don’t need one. This caused further reflection since, as someone who reflexively resists people telling him what to do, I want a calendar that tells me what to do. What is it about Lent (and other non-Mormon religious events and holidays) that intrigue me so? These are the reasons I came up with why I like Lent and why I think more Mormon holidays would be spiritually beneficial to us as a Church culture:

1. Lent is a universal religious holiday

The idea of Lent is pretty clear. It’s a 45 day preparation period for Easter, the day we celebrate Christ’s resurrection. Doctrinally, our entire religion hinges upon this idea that Jesus could conquer death. Without it, we’re nothing. As a whole church, Catholics all over the world participate in this long period of fasting, spiritual contemplation, and preparation.

We have Mormon holidays, JustJill pointed out. We have Pioneer Day and you don’t even like it so why do we need more? A valid point. My problem with Pioneer Day is it’s not a universal Mormon holiday. First off, the entire Church doesn’t celebrate it. Many Utahns I talked to when I went to BYU were shocked that practically no Mormon (not even Utah ex-pats) celebrate Pioneer Day outside of Utah. Sometimes The Ensign gives a passing reference, but it’s not a huge deal outside of Utah, which brings me to my next problem with Pioneer Day.

Not everyone has a pioneer heritage. My parents, for example, were the first in my line to join the Church. And so people tell me that in a spiritual sense, I am a pioneer and Pioneer Day is applicable. But let’s be honest: Do Utahns when they celebrate Pioneer Day celebrate these “latter-day pioneers”? Not really.

And that’s my last problem with Pioneer Day. There is no real set religious way to celebrate it. We have a day off if you’re lucky, and maybe you might have a picnic or visit a handcart museum or something. Some towns in Utah, rumor has it, have parades. But there is no real spirituality behind that holiday. It’s not a religious holiday in practice by any sense.

Remember when President Hinckley challenged the Church to read the Book of Mormon by the next General Conference? The Church went nuts over it. Suddenly, everyone in the Church was moving as a Church body toward a common goal. The Ensign was flooded with how church wards and branches and stakes all over the world achieved that goal and the celebrations which came with it. It was not just reading the Book of Mormon for the umpteenth time. We were reading the Book of Mormon together as a Church and a lot of people loved it. There’s a real need, I think, for Church-wide celebration of who we are, and I think the palpable frenzy surrounding President Hinckley’s challenge demonstrated it. Which brings me to my next point:

2. Religious holidays are a celebration

Korean culture is a big shock to my wife, and one of them is the fact that we throw lots of parties. Like, all the time. I’m serious. One cannot understand it until one lives with Koreans for an extended period of time. We throw parties for baptisms, we throw parties after a choir performance, heck, we break the fast together as a branch every first Sunday. And really, sometimes we all just get together one Saturday, cook a ton of food and then sing really bad Karaoke. My wife mentioned once that Koreans will celebrate just for the sake of celebrating. I told her that’s my philosophy as well, something she sometimes frets over.

We should, as Mormons, celebrate life. Our gospel is one of happiness and joy, but you wouldn’t believe it the way we sing our hymns sometimes. Now, Lent is a somber celebration, but it is a celebration nonetheless that culminates in the joyous memory of Christ’s triumph over death. It’s good for our souls and our minds and our hearts, in my opinion, to take the time and set aside a day or a period of time every year to celebrate things in our Church. JustJill mentioned it would be interesting to go through Mormon history and pick days to celebrate, but it’s not just celebrating history; we should celebrate gospel concepts. Lent doesn’t denote any special period of Catholic history, but it’s about a religious concept. Same with the Feast of Tabernacles. It’s not a special date in Jewish history per se, just a day to celebrate a very Jewish concept.

3. Liturgical calendars give our culture balance and reminds us of who we are

Jamie’s correct in saying we have a very powerful culture that ties us in universal buildings and ways of worship. I, too, loved walking into the church buildings in Seattle because it feels like home. In places like Oklahoma where Mormons were as rare as a jackalope, seeing one of our buildings helped reinforce sagging spirits. Our culture is a powerful cohesive element that is a huge part of our lives.

But sometimes it feels our culture lacks balance. A liturgical calendar would give our religious culture focus. At the moment, our religious culture resembles much of what JustJill wrote – a list of everything we can’t do. There’s a fairly famous Facebook group called “I Can’t – I’m Mormon,” which pretty much signifies our entire culture’s attitude towards having fun, it seems. I’m not saying wickedness is fun, but sometimes our wariness of doing something that breaks one of our many commandments bleeds into areas that shouldn’t even be affected. And I certainly don’t mean that we should celebrate in excess as Sidney very aptly pointed out in reference to Brazil’s Carneval (also, Sidney used the term “jaundiced eye,” which is +100 awesome imagery points).

Our culture is very one-sided. We have three basic elements to our Church culture right now. The first one would be commandments. We have a lot of commandments, from the trivial (no coffee or tea) to the important (no sex before marriage). The second one would be responsibilities. Mormons on Sunday always seem to walk around in a sort of daze. We have callings (sometimes two or three) and home or visit teaching. If you have kids, you have YM/YW activities through Mutual, Scouting, Primary activities, the works. And, of course, if you have kids, well, I mean, you have kids. Those aren’t easy to manage sometimes. The third and final element of our culture is guilt – guilt in a failure to live up to all points of Mormon law and responsibility.

This guilt is manifest when I suggest we have a liturgical calendar. “By Einstein’s Hoary Theory of Relativity! You want to give me MOAR STUFF TO DO?!” We already have commandments and fast Sunday and responsibility and whydoyouwanttogivememore?! As paradoxical as it sounds, it seems to me that a liturgical calendar could not only provide order in some of that responsibility but a more well rounded culture, too.

We need a celebratory aspect to our religious lives. When Mormon funerals are more bouncy and happy than Mormon linger-longers or munch-and-mingles or meet-and-greets or whatever the heck you want to call them, you know there’s a problem. Yeah, it’s sad Grandma Smith died, but now she doesn’t have to go visit teaching EVAR AGAIN. Now that’s something to celebrate! One of our hallmark stereotypical Mormon cultural food items is called funeral potatoes, for heaven’s sake.

A celebratory aspect of our religious culture gives us a reminder every now and then why we’re Mormon. The rush of experiencing a communal holiday with the rest of the Church, the re-invigoration of support when we all work toward a common idea or goal, all of this reminds us why we chose to join ourselves with such a demanding community. And I’m not saying that celebration doesn’t add more stress; it definitely can. I remember my mom tiredly chopping massive portions of green onions, my wife bent over a skillet flipping tons of pancakes, the men rapidly setting up tables and setting out literally a hundred chairs. But when we all work together and then enjoy the fruits of our labors every now and then as we did that lunar new year celebration, when Brother Lee is calling out for more volunteers as Koreans in traditional garb twirl the jump rope and grown men and women are trying to skip around in the whirling rope (and falling down and laughing while doing it) while the whole room chants a traditional children’s song in between mouthfuls of food everyone brought, it reminded me that day why I love being Korean.

Sometimes, I feel our religion needs more events like these to remind ourselves why being Mormon is just so awesome. Because it is awesome to be Mormon. We just forget that sometimes, and maybe a celebration or two of our Mormon aspects could help us remember that.

Scheduled for tomorrow: Why I Love Lent

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Ash Wednesday and Lent

Thanks to a timely reminder from By Common Consent, I will be celebrating Ash Wednesday, the start of Lent, tomorrow. I’ve always meant to celebrate it but always forgot when it was time to do so until half-way through Lent.

Like some Mormons, I’m jealous of other religions who have a liturgical calendar. I consider myself a very spiritual person but I’ve never been good at adhering to strict religious practices within the Mormon church. It may seem strange that a person like me wants a liturgical calendar, but there’s something about a religious structure that reminds you of various religious topics at the same time year after year that become a tradition bigger than itself, and there’s something incredible about a prolonged, shared communal experience (and I’m not talking about those horrible marathon testimony meetings). I do my best to read my scriptures and pray every day, but there’s something said about a portion of the year set aside for the same thing every time which you as a global Church consciously experience.

Maybe I’m a Law of Moses kind of guy. I like daily reminders of the gospel scattered throughout my life. And call me an elitist, but I like cultural markers that help demarcate us from the rest of the world. However, our culture is, when compared to other religions, quite silly. Disaffected Catholics still generally go to church on Easter and Christmas. Disaffected Jews may still gather together for their various feasts and fasts. What do disaffected Mormons do? As Scott B. wonders, “Wouldn’t that just be the nerdiest thing ever if a huge crowd of disaffected Mormons gathered together once a year to celebrate their cultural Mormonism by partying without coffee, tea, and alcohol while consuming ridiculous quantities of Jello and funeral potatoes. They could call it a Linger-Less-Longer.”

So I’ll be borrowing heavily from others’ liturgical calendars this year. The wife and I will probably try and celebrate Passover to the best of our ability, as well as other Jewish holidays. We might even take a stab at Ramadan this year, though we’re both technically not allowed to fast for long periods of time for medical reasons. General Conference is nice, but when it only comes twice a year, with large gaps in between lacking of any regular, yearly important dates of purely Mormon celebration (with the exception of Pioneer Day, which I don’t celebrate as it’s not really a part of my actual heritage and the wife’s hatred for anything folksy pioneer-y), sometimes you feel disconnected from the greater communal experience.

And for those who are wondering, I’m giving up eating out for Lent this year.

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The Mormon Philosophical Perspective…?

Editor’s note: This blog post asks tough questions on two very esoteric subjects. Please forgive the author.

Today in class, our philosophy teacher explained that Catholics tend to have a very Aristotelian world view, mostly because one of the founding fathers of fundamental Catholic thought, Thomas Aquinas, discovered the works of Aristotle in a once mostly Platonic world and immediately fell in love with his ideas. He published an incredible body of literature that influenced Catholic thought for centuries to come. Protestantism, however, deals mostly with a Platonic lens for viewing the world, partly because of Martin Luther, who belonged to a monastic order influenced by Platonic philosophy. And thus, you can see the dueling views between those participating in that great Christian schism.

This is not to say that Catholics subscribe to everything Aristotle says, or that Protestants quote Plato’s Republic regularly. Simply, their world views mirror that of the those two great philosophers, and a study of any of their theologies simply cannot do without a study of those two giants.

This got my wheels a-turning: The LDS faith prides itself in the fact that our religion cannot categorize itself as either Catholic or Protestant. We are, our chests a-puffin’, at best, a Restorationist church. To many members, we are the Church, the original Church comprised of people like Peter, Elijah, Moses, yes, even Adam. But surely there is a philosophical school out there mirroring our world view? I am a firm believer that our doctrines are sound, but certainly our culture and world view has been influenced by, dare I say, the teachings and philosophizing of men? If you had to choose a philosophical school that mirrors our world view, what would it be? Do we take closely after either the Catholic or Protestant philosophical view, or are we a completely different animal?

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